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	<title>Comments on: EVONY AND IVORY PART 2: SHADES OF MURKY GRAY Plus Scoop!</title>
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		<title>By: John Armour</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Armour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people are leaving Evony now. Some were banned for botting, some got fed up with the lack of customer care and others didn't like the interminable farming necessary.
Mostly they have moved to the many similar browser games. Current favourite is War of Legends, mainly because it is published in the UK and has good customer service and no endless farming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people are leaving Evony now. Some were banned for botting, some got fed up with the lack of customer care and others didn&#8217;t like the interminable farming necessary.<br />
Mostly they have moved to the many similar browser games. Current favourite is War of Legends, mainly because it is published in the UK and has good customer service and no endless farming.</p>
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		<title>By: David Guo</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Guo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guo Yao Qi David (David Guo’s full name) is a top hacker and is the boss of Evony. He was involved in the 1999 hacking war between China and Taiwan. And he monetised his knowledge by founding the personal firewall company Sky Net. 

Here an article about David Guo as a hacker: http://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp
And here is the rough Google translation (Guo Yaoqi is also known as David Guo and owns Evony):

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=zh-CN&amp;u=http://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp&amp;ei=p2mLS_zxAoT40wTQyLnICw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=translate&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAgQ7gEwAA&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guo Yao Qi David (David Guo’s full name) is a top hacker and is the boss of Evony. He was involved in the 1999 hacking war between China and Taiwan. And he monetised his knowledge by founding the personal firewall company Sky Net. </p>
<p>Here an article about David Guo as a hacker: <a href="http://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp" rel="nofollow">http://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp</a><br />
And here is the rough Google translation (Guo Yaoqi is also known as David Guo and owns Evony):</p>
<p><a href="http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=zh-CN&amp;u=http://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp&amp;ei=p2mLS_zxAoT40wTQyLnICw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=translate&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAgQ7gEwAA&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=zh-CN&amp;u=http://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp&amp;ei=p2mLS_zxAoT40wTQyLnICw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=translate&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CAgQ7gEwAA&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://shenzhen.ccw.com.cn/it/200104/0423.asp%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the new version Evony 3.08. My older version was 2.16.
The new version has all references to Eric Lam and UMGE removed.
Neither the comments in the hex code nor the decompiled Actionscript have anything that refers to them.
Also the scripts that enumerated the active programs and sent and retrieved data with the remote servers is gone,
except for the actual game network link to the Evony.com game servers.

Even the code is a bit neater and more efficient.
At least the heavy scrutiny on them is having some pluses. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the new version Evony 3.08. My older version was 2.16.<br />
The new version has all references to Eric Lam and UMGE removed.<br />
Neither the comments in the hex code nor the decompiled Actionscript have anything that refers to them.<br />
Also the scripts that enumerated the active programs and sent and retrieved data with the remote servers is gone,<br />
except for the actual game network link to the Evony.com game servers.</p>
<p>Even the code is a bit neater and more efficient.<br />
At least the heavy scrutiny on them is having some pluses. lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a student studying computer games design at uni and decided to investigate Evony.com.
Just to see what some of these games are like etc. etc.
The game is actually kind of cool (found myself addicted and even spent a little money on it).
But I started to notice HUGE bandwidth use by the site as I played.
I am not the only one either, there are comments on the evony forums about this.
This is odd because all of the client info, the animations etc. are all downloaded in one big download at the start.
There is no streaming media so I began to wonder what was going on.

To cut a long story short I decided to break the law and reverse engineer Evony's client.
Not to cheat. Not to rip them off or even to use even a scrap of the code.
But just to poke about a bit and find out what was going on, maybe even offer them some ways to improve things.

Aside from the fact that the whole thing is very poorly constructed (it is really very beginner coder level stuff. Reminds me of a lot of
what the first year students produce for assignments) it contained some very interesting information.

Included with the client are 2 peices of tracking software that monitor your web use and which applications you have open while the client is running.
These do not install independently on the machine though due to the limitations of flash and do not actually damage anything.
But they harvest massive volumes of information. My firewall was blocking a lot of outgoing transmissions and it turns out that these
were the data trying to be sent out. So they know nothing about me. lol.
However there is a LOT of data coming IN over the ports the client uses. In otherwords it is downloading something into my cache for use later.
I have bandiwdth restriction which slows these types of tricks down and I completely clear my cache every couple of hours if I am heavily using the net.

I also noticed that all the varanbles etc. are named Civony still and that there are multiple references to UMGE.
Even a couple of folders are simply called UMGE, one of these folders contains one of the spyware programs.
So I can only guess at where the data would end up if I didnt have a good firewall.

There are also commented out sections in the code which contain references to UMGE and Lam himself, though low on details.

Thank you for reading this.

  Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a student studying computer games design at uni and decided to investigate Evony.com.<br />
Just to see what some of these games are like etc. etc.<br />
The game is actually kind of cool (found myself addicted and even spent a little money on it).<br />
But I started to notice HUGE bandwidth use by the site as I played.<br />
I am not the only one either, there are comments on the evony forums about this.<br />
This is odd because all of the client info, the animations etc. are all downloaded in one big download at the start.<br />
There is no streaming media so I began to wonder what was going on.</p>
<p>To cut a long story short I decided to break the law and reverse engineer Evony&#8217;s client.<br />
Not to cheat. Not to rip them off or even to use even a scrap of the code.<br />
But just to poke about a bit and find out what was going on, maybe even offer them some ways to improve things.</p>
<p>Aside from the fact that the whole thing is very poorly constructed (it is really very beginner coder level stuff. Reminds me of a lot of<br />
what the first year students produce for assignments) it contained some very interesting information.</p>
<p>Included with the client are 2 peices of tracking software that monitor your web use and which applications you have open while the client is running.<br />
These do not install independently on the machine though due to the limitations of flash and do not actually damage anything.<br />
But they harvest massive volumes of information. My firewall was blocking a lot of outgoing transmissions and it turns out that these<br />
were the data trying to be sent out. So they know nothing about me. lol.<br />
However there is a LOT of data coming IN over the ports the client uses. In otherwords it is downloading something into my cache for use later.<br />
I have bandiwdth restriction which slows these types of tricks down and I completely clear my cache every couple of hours if I am heavily using the net.</p>
<p>I also noticed that all the varanbles etc. are named Civony still and that there are multiple references to UMGE.<br />
Even a couple of folders are simply called UMGE, one of these folders contains one of the spyware programs.<br />
So I can only guess at where the data would end up if I didnt have a good firewall.</p>
<p>There are also commented out sections in the code which contain references to UMGE and Lam himself, though low on details.</p>
<p>Thank you for reading this.</p>
<p>  Lee</p>
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		<title>By: Hot "F"udge</title>
		<link>http://www.WoWGoldFacts.com/2009/07/28/evony-and-ivory-part-2-shades-of-murky-gray-plus-scoop/comment-page-1/#comment-49047</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot "F"udge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is  providing free wifi in Mountain View, kicking out Adsense members without rationality, and will be releasing their own OS. They're doing everything now to earn big big big bucks. No wonder why they;re allowing almost all these scam sh!t to advertise. :3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is  providing free wifi in Mountain View, kicking out Adsense members without rationality, and will be releasing their own OS. They&#8217;re doing everything now to earn big big big bucks. No wonder why they;re allowing almost all these scam sh!t to advertise. :3</p>
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		<title>By: Matt-ematician</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt-ematician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lam bros' EVONY and Ivory versus Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney's EBONY and Ivory.  Fantastic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lam bros&#8217; EVONY and Ivory versus Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney&#8217;s EBONY and Ivory.  Fantastic!</p>
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		<title>By: Lestat de Lioncourt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lestat de Lioncourt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They might write, direct and produce their own movies next time. LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They might write, direct and produce their own movies next time. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: meatwad</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatwad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense click fraud deja vu!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sense click fraud deja vu!</p>
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		<title>By: Trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those f*cking Lam brothers must take too much opium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those f*cking Lam brothers must take too much opium.</p>
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